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Luckytime
If you're a fan of your own work, then you'll be fine ~ Start small. If you can't, then start smaller ~ If you don't love what you put out, don't expect anyone else to

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Fan Art

Posted by Luckytime - May 12th, 2016


I'm writing this as an alternative to leaving hate and negativity in a review on an artist's work. I find myself very frustrated with particular artists whose body of work consits predominantly or entirely of fan-based creations. There's nothing wrong with having a healthy amount of enthusiasm for other people's work, but after I see a trend of only creating fan-based work I begin to suspect that these artists do not create for the love of creating, but rather for the success that those creations bring, however they may define that.

In layman's terms, these types of artists are tryhards. A tryhard is someone who participates in an activity with the express purpose of finding the easiest path to success. It is the success that matters to them, not the love of the activity.

What already exists and is massively successful? Popular media, the stuff that you see saturating the internet and newgrounds. Mario, Undertale, One-Punch Man, Minecraft, Splatoon, etc. Then there are sub-cultures that exist mainly on newgrounds that these artists also pander too, like: Meat Boy, Castle Crashers, Bitey, Tankman and so on. All these IPs with their pre-established fanbases require only moderate effort to pull in massive numbers.

When these artists saturate our web space with pre-established content, it makes it very difficult for original content to be recognized or discovered. Everyone only has a limited amount of attention to give each and every day, and the more they funnel their attention into a single creation the less they can offer to everyone else. Other artists who are working very hard to create something new and fresh are being ranked at the same level at best as those who exclusively make fanwork. You know who you are, and shame on you.

 

I'm trying my best not to let this get too heavy-handed but the more I write about it the more passionate I get. With the recent Pico Day and all the self-fellating newgrounds has done I'm just a bit over it. Again, a healthy amount of homage to great works is fine but when that's all you seem to be capable of doing, then I start to call into question your integrity as an artist. This isn't helped by the fact that Newgrounds likes to promote work that is instantly recognizable and attention grabbing (could it have something to do with... money?) as well as its own culture.

I don't know why Newgrounds doesn't promote more art teachers or streamers. Works under judgement are all the way at the bottom with no way to move them up. The site doesn't sort fanart and original work, so people end up giving their attention to the fanart more. It's all very upsetting to me, but it's an important criticism to voice.


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I understand your frustration but as I've learned, it's best to know the artists as individuals rather than judge them by their work at face value. Majority of the time, these folks genuinely have alot of enthusiasm for pop culture and are great to converse with. They absolutely love making the things that other people love. It's a different type of recognition but it's still recognition.

You work hard dude, I know because your stuff is frikkin' good. I want to see alot more original stuff be recognized here more too, but as of right now, any content that brings up the views and interest is what's stabilizing this place.

That's why I don't want anyone feeling singled out, because I know they work hard on what they do. I'm more trying to spread a value that I hold while using others as non-specific examples. I also feel like they're perpetuating a culture of copying instead of creating.

I want newgrounds to be the most badass place for artists because it promotes a sense of collaboration instead of individual success. I can't say much about the business side of things because I don't know enough about that, but If more people put as much effort into their fan work as Alvin Earthworm for example, then I would have no problems.

That's actually kinda funny coming from you of all people as I'd front paged your robot dance piece a while back without realizing it was Machinarium fanart and I was a little sad when I realized it wasn't all original. But does it matter? I prefer not to promote fanart, but when it's good (as yours was) or when it's giving well-earned love to another newgrounds artist, I'm going to support it. In any case, I'm sorry to hear you're disheartened. The fanart pageview unbalance is not a problem that is native to newgrounds and I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with it.

I prefer original work and its what I make exclusively, but I think you're forgetting that all artists make work in dialgue with art history and their own past and passions, and I don't think it's fair to other artists to say that they make fanart just for the pageviews. The things I nerd out about tend to be stuff like obscure amphibians and balladry from two centuries ago and I do make pieces in reference to those things I am passionate about. But who am I to throw stones at someone who is drawn to Space Ghost or Ryan Gosling or Pokemon instead? Artistic innnovation happens on the edges of genres and if they can deal with whatever their subject matter is cleverly and creatively, I'm all for it.

First of all, thanks for coming out as the one who frontpaged my drawing, It's nice to be able to put a name to the favor I got :)

I tried to make it clear I don't condemn fan art as a whole, If that's what makes people happy then fine. However I see it as a sign of an unhealthy worldview. No one who takes pride in their work would be happy riding the coattails of someone else for their entire career. I think it would be way cooler if they took inspiration from other people instead of completely copy and pasting their IP. In my case, I try to divvy my share of fan art with original work. 4 years ago Ephyse left a review on one of my drawings and said something I'll never forget:

"I looked at your gallery, you feel comfortable with Toshop. i really like your touch!
but you re doing only existing character, what about invent yours? i want to see something you created <:^)"

It might seem silly but he was right, I hadn't been bringing anything new to the table and I felt a sense of shame that stuck with me. I just feel like there's something wrong with people who don't at least feel that kind of shame.

Ah. Oi yeah, I pretty much agree with that sentiment, though I don't feel Newgrounds as a whole is super culpable. Partly I blame gaming culture, which is incredibly and incessantly nostalgic in a way that hampers artistic innovation. I think NG tends to do a good job of going against that grain and rewarding small name artists with original content. But as to how that's reflected in the art portal... while I rarely leave the art section, a large portion of our audience came to the site for gaming and animation, so I'm not surprised when that plays out in the art they look at.

So 5% of the people that come to NG are creators and the rest are consumers? That's not good.

I feel like newgrounds fills the same role as deviantart or youtube on the internet because a lot of the art here isn't super polished (even the featured art) so people don't feel like they're competing with huge players like they would on a serious portfolio site like behance.

I just don't get why newgrounds isn't bigger like youtube or deviantart, but I suspect it might have something to do with how immature this place can be, or the fact that youtube and deviantart are more inclusive.